He could have said "Hold on one moment", lower the phone from his ear, and saluted them back. Would have just taken a second. Guess I should be happy that he even bothered to salute in the first place.
By the way, the President of the United States does not have to salute. Considering the failure of the education system on this country I'm not surprised that you two chuckleheads wouldn't know that.
Honestly, he doesn't need to solute. He is the highest rank and only to be saluted to. Yes, he could have taken the second to drop the phone for a bit, but I think this is nit picking. It's like the photo of Bush looking through binoculars with the lens caps on. Stupid stuff and people need to grow a backbone. Look at the larger picture; not the cell phone. How many times have you walked down the street with your cell phone and gave a head nod or waved at someone? Cell phones are now a part of our everyday communication and if the President needs to make a call while traveling then so be it.
He did, you dipwad, he just didn't do it the way you wanted him to. Get over yourself. As a prior serviceman, I know the rule: The Marines, upon the approach of a superior officer, come to attention and salute said officer. They then hold the salute until the officer passes or returns the salute. Notice that the officer may pass without rendering any salute whatsoever. Know why? Because it's not a requirement! Having worked on an installation with many "high brass" officers, I've witness untold hundreds of officers who did not return my salute in passing, but I've been scolded for NOT saluting a superior officer. It is not the place of any lower-ranking servicemember to correct the salute or bearing of a superior officer.
If you look at the tires on the plane you will notice you can not see the lower portion of them as well... looks like a dip in the ground, I doubt the marines were photoshopped in
The president may not be "required" to salute back, but it is courteous to do so...and even more courteous to do it properly. He could have completed his phone conversation before exiting the craft or ask the called to hold 1/2 a second and properly acknowledged the salute...Personally I have much more respect for our military personnel than I could ever have for this president, his wife, and appointees.
I think he is justified, if anything i think we should have had the marines second as TSA agents while giving him a cavity search if he wanted to be a true American :P
No one said he HAD to salute....but it isn't asking much to be mannerly...such as "thank you", "please", etc. A president should always be respectful to subordinates especially if they are preforming a required act.
David, your post is informative and well said. Too bad you lack the common courtesy to the OP by calling him or her a dipwad. You served in the military to protect the OP's right to say what hey believe. I guess you didn't serve in the military to learn how to give another person with a differing viewpoint as your own any respect. Gawd, if the OP is a dipwad for making a perfectly unoffensive and what I believe to be a very good point, I would hate to think what you would call the OP if they had said something offensive. Chill out dude. Life's too short. Don't let a perfect stranger raise the hair on your back. Too bad one does not have to take a test to prove their ability to be civil on messages posts. That test might have possibly been a tough one for you.
He did salute while not being required to do so. All modern day Presidents have done this at one time or another. This was not an Air force 1 arrival with guests or at an event. It looks as if it is on a return flight to the White House and the equivalent of us driving up our driveway at the end of a day. I am not a huge President Obama Fan but I will not support false reasons to bash him either. He is a very very busy man and this is not an occasion or a reason to be upset about anything. If you have served as I have you will know that if this was a ceremony or State arrival it would be different this is just a normal arrival at HOME.
And I don't HAVE to say please and thank you to the people I converse with each day, I just have the decency to do it. It wasn't the "failed" education system that taught me that---it was just common courtesy and a general respect for mankind.
I could have told you it wasn't photoshopped. It made recent news that Obama couldn't even figure out how to use his BLACKBERRY (which conveniently hes using here). Yet it's funny we trust this knucklehead to run our country.
Stop wielding the service like a weapon. IT IS WHAT IT IS! Most Veterans are too humble to say "I served so I deserve this,or my opinion matters more!" I hate that about my fellow service members. Most of us couldnt hold a candle to the Veterans of previous wars.
Unless you are one of these two men with the complaint that you feel extremely disrespected, or Obama choosing to come here and defend himself from your accusations, then your opinion on this subject is null.
Here's a pic of Bush coming down the plane steps, saluting with one hand while holding his DOG with the other. It's silly to think less of him for that, and silly to think less of Obama for a cell phone instead of a dog ... they're busy people, for heaven's sake.
I've got a photo of Bush coming down the airplane steps, saluting with one hand and holding his DOG in the other arm ... let's not be silly. Presidents are busy people. I don't think less of Bush for that, nor of Obama for having a cell phone instead of a dog in the other hand.
Oh, please. At least he has the balls to put his name to his comment. And he has facts supporting him. Trying to divert attention to your opinion that his disgust with the ignorance of the OPis 'rude' (as opposed to the original, silly contention that was made in the first place) doesn't hold water.
shameful and utterly disrespectful. God bless our sailors, soilders and airmen for they protect our freedom, whilst our commander-less in chief abuses it.
Sorry Charlie, in case you may not have noticed, we live in the USA and freedom of speech, choice etc negates your BS comment. Everyone's opinion is valued when it contains merrit, your's happens to faulter to SPAM and disgust. Try serving your, oh sorry our and or MY country and will realize the value of a salute. You likely have never even voted.....
Except you opinion isn't valuable at all. You are complaining about a man you likely complain about every day regardless of what new actions he takes. You are saying he's being disrespectful, when in actuality you don't know this. You don't know his relationship with these men other than by rank and you don't know all the factors involved in this scenario. Your opinion doesn't contain merit, it is just more mudslinging and hate. You people are attacking the president because you don't like him for outside reasons, but are justifying it based on a single snapshot that somebody jumped to conclusions over. So until you have all the facts, your opinion is invalid. This doesn't mean you don't have the right to say it, I never said that. Just letting you know that you're not accomplishing anything.
Snopes reports that it's not photoshopped. You're going to have to bite the bullet and accept that your hero has no class: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/cellsalute.asp
The people I pass on the street aren't charged with protecting my life. Those men are there to ensure his safety, even at the cost of their own. For that, they deserve their CIC's respect.
Sending our servicemen and women into a ridiculous war after you deferred out of Vietnam (cheney) 3X is what happens when you elect someone with no military background.
Wow!! Some people will come up with anything to bash President Obama. He is arguably the busiest man on the planet. None of you have any idea what is actually happening at the moment this picture was taken. And for those who bring up the fact he never served in the military, you want to replace him with another that has not served. Stop judging and get a life.
Anyone screaming disrespect about this better be civilian, any service member would never, ever take this as a form of disrespect and if they did, you shouldn't be in service.
He doesn't have to salute, in fact it's kinda taboo that a president does it to begin with. He's a civilian not a member of the military branch, it means nothing if he does or doesn't do it.
The FCUK he doesn't you *ssholes! OMG where in the hlel do you idiots get YOUR information!! HE is THE SENIOR OFFICER in CHARGE and YES he MOST CERTAINLY DOES have to salute. Do me a favor, if you haven't served shut your mouths and stop trying to vainly cite regs and AR and all the other stuff you know NOTHING about!
Please - all you supporters of Obama...this has NOTHING to do with politics. It's about RESPECT. You LEAD this country and you can't even show the simple RESPECT of putting your flippin phone down? He's a piece of crap. And it doesn't surprise me that he'd do this. Hell, he won't even salute for the Pledge of Allegiance. Get out if you don't support this country. Go lead Islam, which is where he'd rather be anyway.
your stupid he should not salute for the pledge of allegiance no one should, you put your hand over your heart for that.....Next reason your stupid, do you know who he is talking to probably not...it is most likely someone important....
Then why didn't president and Former GENERAL Never salute once he retired from the military including when he was president? Omg OMG WTF, OMG, WHHHHHAZDEFADSF OMGGGGG
The Marines are required to salute. The President did salute and he is not required to do so. Please try not to be a moron and get swayed by these kind of pictures. "Longstanding tradition requires members of the military to salute the president. The practice of presidents returning that salute is more recent — Ronald Reagan started it in 1981.
Reagan’s decision raised eyebrows at the time. Dwight Eisenhower, a former five-star general, did not return military salutes while president. Nor had other presidents."
President has absolutely no obligation to salute. He is the commander in chief, but he is also not in uniform. Ever seen and enlisted or officer salute while out of uniform ? Fuck no, because its wrong. Reagan is the first president to start saulting out of uniform, so it could hardly be called tradition. Eisenhower was a retired general ajd he never ever saulted back after retiring and becoming president, because its not a requirement and technically wrong !!!! And yes i did serve in the military. So to the guy that thinks he knows so much your a fucking moron. Do your research. Better yet, take a history class
Or maybe you could find better things to do with your life than sobbing like a child about how the special men in the special hats aren't being waved at the right way.
I dont think any president who hasn't served should salute....I dont care if he is there commander-in-chief.....he doesn't know proper protocal and respect so he shouldnt do it nor should he get a salute from the Marines/soldiers/airmen/sailors.
If he is going to salute, weather or not he is required to, he should do it right. Perfectly of to salute while holding something in your left hand. Military regulation specifically state, you will not salute with anything in your right hand, in your mouth or while using a cell phone. Even while in uniform, I do not salute officers that don't respect me enough to do it right. They never say a word. Why? Because they know they are wrong. Do it right or don't do it at all.
it is very common for mechanics and crew members to call a helicopter a "plane" even an "airplane". and snopes is not a reliable source of information at all. do us all a favor, pull your lip over your head and swallow.
David did not post facts. If he wants to post facts he should cite his facts. I recommend reading AR 600-25. Plus he is a jarhead. Jarheads don't know shit.
Excuse me, but why is this important? Can't you Republicans and Tea Baggers think of anything but trivial shit. Why don't you just admit that you hate him because he's black and no other reason.
And if that phone call was to some other leader from another country and he had ended the call you people would be slamming him for that. He can not win with you. Talk about Respect......he is our president wether you like it or not. So lets show HIM some respect.
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How do we know he wasn't in an important call with a head of state threatening to break all hell in some part of the world or some administrative duties that needed an answer right at that moment? Also the answer above me makes a point..can't assume what he did before, on, or after that picture was taken.
Is so sad to see that my America is so full of racism, haven't we seen enough, real or not why do you turn to race why republicans turn white and democrats turn black why do we fight for freedom if we dont accept each other as people of the United States is America service men civilians were all humans with different views that create this country but at the same time destroy it with hate because of race.
The REAL problem for you haters out there is that we've got a BLACK man in the WHITE house. GWB: AWOL for a year (No Problem). GWB pretending to fly aboard an aircraft carrier to announce "Mission Accomplished" six years prematurely - (No Problem). As a wartime vet, I thank President Obama for REALLY ending Bush/Cheney's trumped-up war. BTW - My 91 year old uncle, a decorated WWII Ranger Paratrooper, agrees with me.
Shut the hell up, you stupid people think he's disrespectful. what if he's in the middle of making a nuclear weapons agreement to ensure the american people stay safe. stop thinking about yourselves and think about others for a change. its not a surprise that you all are gonna vote for trump because you got no common sense. #h for hillary #feel the bern
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Complete disrespect.
He could have said "Hold on one moment", lower the phone from his ear, and saluted them back. Would have just taken a second. Guess I should be happy that he even bothered to salute in the first place.
By the way, the President of the United States does not have to salute. Considering the failure of the education system on this country I'm not surprised that you two chuckleheads wouldn't know that.
Ever occur to you that this photo may be PhotoShopped?
Seriously?!?!
He may not have to! but he should want to
and be proud to !
Indeed. Where are the Marines' feet?
Still, Obama looks like he's returning *somebody's* salute, with a phone in the other ear...
Honestly, he doesn't need to solute. He is the highest rank and only to be saluted to. Yes, he could have taken the second to drop the phone for a bit, but I think this is nit picking. It's like the photo of Bush looking through binoculars with the lens caps on. Stupid stuff and people need to grow a backbone. Look at the larger picture; not the cell phone. How many times have you walked down the street with your cell phone and gave a head nod or waved at someone? Cell phones are now a part of our everyday communication and if the President needs to make a call while traveling then so be it.
He did, you dipwad, he just didn't do it the way you wanted him to. Get over yourself. As a prior serviceman, I know the rule: The Marines, upon the approach of a superior officer, come to attention and salute said officer. They then hold the salute until the officer passes or returns the salute. Notice that the officer may pass without rendering any salute whatsoever. Know why? Because it's not a requirement! Having worked on an installation with many "high brass" officers, I've witness untold hundreds of officers who did not return my salute in passing, but I've been scolded for NOT saluting a superior officer. It is not the place of any lower-ranking servicemember to correct the salute or bearing of a superior officer.
Nicely said, took the words right out of my keyboard.
That's what happens when the American people elect someone with no military background.
Can anyone tell me when/where this photograph was taken?
If you look at the tires on the plane you will notice you can not see the lower portion of them as well... looks like a dip in the ground, I doubt the marines were photoshopped in
The president may not be "required" to salute back, but it is courteous to do so...and even more courteous to do it properly. He could have completed his phone conversation before exiting the craft or ask the called to hold 1/2 a second and properly acknowledged the salute...Personally I have much more respect for our military personnel than I could ever have for this president, his wife, and appointees.
I think he is justified, if anything i think we should have had the marines second as TSA agents while giving him a cavity search if he wanted to be a true American :P
No one said he HAD to salute....but it isn't asking much to be mannerly...such as "thank you", "please", etc. A president should always be respectful to subordinates especially if they are preforming a required act.
David, your post is informative and well said. Too bad you lack the common courtesy to the OP by calling him or her a dipwad. You served in the military to protect the OP's right to say what hey believe. I guess you didn't serve in the military to learn how to give another person with a differing viewpoint as your own any respect. Gawd, if the OP is a dipwad for making a perfectly unoffensive and what I believe to be a very good point, I would hate to think what you would call the OP if they had said something offensive. Chill out dude. Life's too short. Don't let a perfect stranger raise the hair on your back. Too bad one does not have to take a test to prove their ability to be civil on messages posts. That test might have possibly been a tough one for you.
It could have been a national security issue. He can do whatever he pleases considering they report to him.
It's a helicopter not a plane. Also, he doesn't have an iPhone, he has a Secured Blackberry. This is VERY photoshopped.
He did salute while not being required to do so. All modern day Presidents have done this at one time or another. This was not an Air force 1 arrival with guests or at an event. It looks as if it is on a return flight to the White House and the equivalent of us driving up our driveway at the end of a day. I am not a huge President Obama Fan but I will not support false reasons to bash him either. He is a very very busy man and this is not an occasion or a reason to be upset about anything. If you have served as I have you will know that if this was a ceremony or State arrival it would be different this is just a normal arrival at HOME.
If he is going to salute he should take the time to do it properly.
Who cares? Everybody bashing him has too much time on their hands...get a better hobby, or even better a LIFE......!
And I don't HAVE to say please and thank you to the people I converse with each day, I just have the decency to do it. It wasn't the "failed" education system that taught me that---it was just common courtesy and a general respect for mankind.
Just checked it on snopes.com, a pretty reliable source for debunking scams, and they claim that it is real--NOT photoshopped
I could have told you it wasn't photoshopped. It made recent news that Obama couldn't even figure out how to use his BLACKBERRY (which conveniently hes using here). Yet it's funny we trust this knucklehead to run our country.
Stop wielding the service like a weapon. IT IS WHAT IT IS! Most Veterans are too humble to say "I served so I deserve this,or my opinion matters more!" I hate that about my fellow service members. Most of us couldnt hold a candle to the Veterans of previous wars.
its an important phone call, don't tell him how to do his job no one tells you how to do you're job.
Maybe he could just bring a SMIDGEN of respect to his office and fake giving a damn for once?
Unless you are one of these two men with the complaint that you feel extremely disrespected, or Obama choosing to come here and defend himself from your accusations, then your opinion on this subject is null.
Get over it you idiots. If it was Romney you wouldn't have any complaints.
Here's a pic of Bush coming down the plane steps, saluting with one hand while holding his DOG with the other. It's silly to think less of him for that, and silly to think less of Obama for a cell phone instead of a dog ... they're busy people, for heaven's sake.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2009/11/should_presidents_salute.shtml
I've got a photo of Bush coming down the airplane steps, saluting with one hand and holding his DOG in the other arm ... let's not be silly. Presidents are busy people. I don't think less of Bush for that, nor of Obama for having a cell phone instead of a dog in the other hand.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2009/11/should_presidents_salute.shtml
Oh, please. At least he has the balls to put his name to his comment. And he has facts supporting him. Trying to divert attention to your opinion that his disgust with the ignorance of the OPis 'rude' (as opposed to the original, silly contention that was made in the first place) doesn't hold water.
VERY DISRESPECTFUL! Our Choade-in-Chief! This guy has got to go! he just doesnt care!
shameful and utterly disrespectful. God bless our sailors, soilders and airmen for they protect our freedom, whilst our commander-less in chief abuses it.
FYI chit chatters Commander and Chief has to salute--it's called respect and tradition. Not to mention, ALL AMERICAN!
well stated!
Sorry Charlie, in case you may not have noticed, we live in the USA and freedom of speech, choice etc negates your BS comment. Everyone's opinion is valued when it contains merrit, your's happens to faulter to SPAM and disgust. Try serving your, oh sorry our and or MY country and will realize the value of a salute. You likely have never even voted.....
Nope not likely----but nice try with the photoshop cop out---come out from behind your e-games for a bit and join the real world
Because IDIOT Romney would salute
Bush wasn't talking to his dog, he was just holding him. This idiot is talking to someone on a phone while he should be saluting. No Excuse!!!!!
He could of done just that. You can't see what happened a second before or after this photo was taken.
Except you opinion isn't valuable at all. You are complaining about a man you likely complain about every day regardless of what new actions he takes. You are saying he's being disrespectful, when in actuality you don't know this. You don't know his relationship with these men other than by rank and you don't know all the factors involved in this scenario. Your opinion doesn't contain merit, it is just more mudslinging and hate. You people are attacking the president because you don't like him for outside reasons, but are justifying it based on a single snapshot that somebody jumped to conclusions over. So until you have all the facts, your opinion is invalid. This doesn't mean you don't have the right to say it, I never said that. Just letting you know that you're not accomplishing anything.
Snopes reports that it's not photoshopped. You're going to have to bite the bullet and accept that your hero has no class:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/cellsalute.asp
The people I pass on the street aren't charged with protecting my life. Those men are there to ensure his safety, even at the cost of their own. For that, they deserve their CIC's respect.
I'd agree with you if Bush was having a conversation with the dog.
No kidding. His cell phone won't run away if he put it on the floor.
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/223396_480832441939461_1439542531_n.jpg
Sending our servicemen and women into a ridiculous war after you deferred out of Vietnam (cheney) 3X is what happens when you elect someone with no military background.
Photoshop!!!!!
Wow!! Some people will come up with anything to bash President Obama. He is arguably the busiest man on the planet. None of you have any idea what is actually happening at the moment this picture was taken. And for those who bring up the fact he never served in the military, you want to replace him with another that has not served. Stop judging and get a life.
Anyone screaming disrespect about this better be civilian, any service member would never, ever take this as a form of disrespect and if they did, you shouldn't be in service.
He doesn't have to salute, in fact it's kinda taboo that a president does it to begin with. He's a civilian not a member of the military branch, it means nothing if he does or doesn't do it.
He is saluting you fucking moron
The FCUK he doesn't you *ssholes! OMG where in the hlel do you idiots get YOUR information!! HE is THE SENIOR OFFICER in CHARGE and YES he MOST CERTAINLY DOES have to salute. Do me a favor, if you haven't served shut your mouths and stop trying to vainly cite regs and AR and all the other stuff you know NOTHING about!
People are such morons
All the conservative idiots will be all over stupid shit since Romney got his teeth kicked tonight
Please - all you supporters of Obama...this has NOTHING to do with politics. It's about RESPECT. You LEAD this country and you can't even show the simple RESPECT of putting your flippin phone down? He's a piece of crap. And it doesn't surprise me that he'd do this. Hell, he won't even salute for the Pledge of Allegiance. Get out if you don't support this country. Go lead Islam, which is where he'd rather be anyway.
your stupid he should not salute for the pledge of allegiance no one should, you put your hand over your heart for that.....Next reason your stupid, do you know who he is talking to probably not...it is most likely someone important....
ummm, was Bush talking on his dog and ignoring them?
Then why didn't president and Former GENERAL Never salute once he retired from the military including when he was president? Omg OMG WTF, OMG, WHHHHHAZDEFADSF OMGGGGG
General Eisenhower EVER salute. sorry =)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/graphics/obamaheli2.jpg
The Marines are required to salute. The President did salute and he is not required to do so. Please try not to be a moron and get swayed by these kind of pictures.
"Longstanding tradition requires members of the military to salute the president. The practice of presidents returning that salute is more recent — Ronald Reagan started it in 1981.
Reagan’s decision raised eyebrows at the time. Dwight Eisenhower, a former five-star general, did not return military salutes while president. Nor had other presidents."
Excerpt from:
http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2008/12/24/to-salute-or-not-to-salute-thats-obamas-question/
President has absolutely no obligation to salute. He is the commander in chief, but he is also not in uniform. Ever seen and enlisted or officer salute while out of uniform ? Fuck no, because its wrong. Reagan is the first president to start saulting out of uniform, so it could hardly be called tradition. Eisenhower was a retired general ajd he never ever saulted back after retiring and becoming president, because its not a requirement and technically wrong !!!! And yes i did serve in the military. So to the guy that thinks he knows so much your a fucking moron. Do your research. Better yet, take a history class
Or maybe you could find better things to do with your life than sobbing like a child about how the special men in the special hats aren't being waved at the right way.
I dont think any president who hasn't served should salute....I dont care if he is there commander-in-chief.....he doesn't know proper protocal and respect so he shouldnt do it nor should he get a salute from the Marines/soldiers/airmen/sailors.
If he is going to salute, weather or not he is required to, he should do it right. Perfectly of to salute while holding something in your left hand. Military regulation specifically state, you will not salute with anything in your right hand, in your mouth or while using a cell phone. Even while in uniform, I do not salute officers that don't respect me enough to do it right. They never say a word. Why? Because they know they are wrong.
Do it right or don't do it at all.
it is very common for mechanics and crew members to call a helicopter a "plane" even an "airplane". and snopes is not a reliable source of information at all. do us all a favor, pull your lip over your head and swallow.
David did not post facts. If he wants to post facts he should cite his facts. I recommend reading AR 600-25. Plus he is a jarhead. Jarheads don't know shit.
Excuse me, but why is this important? Can't you Republicans and Tea Baggers think of anything but trivial shit. Why don't you just admit that you hate him because he's black and no other reason.
This has nothing to do with race or politics. It has to do with RESPECT!
And if that phone call was to some other leader from another country and he had ended the call you people would be slamming him for that. He can not win with you. Talk about Respect......he is our president wether you like it or not. So lets show HIM some respect.
Hey, How are going on?
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I believe you would slam Obama if he turned out to be God himself!!!! Grow up or move away!!!! US would be better off without you hypocrites!!!
How do we know he wasn't in an important call with a head of state threatening to break all hell in some part of the world or some administrative duties that needed an answer right at that moment? Also the answer above me makes a point..can't assume what he did before, on, or after that picture was taken.
Is so sad to see that my America is so full of racism, haven't we seen enough, real or not why do you turn to race why republicans turn white and democrats turn black why do we fight for freedom if we dont accept each other as people of the United States is America service men civilians were all humans with different views that create this country but at the same time destroy it with hate because of race.
The REAL problem for you haters out there is that we've got a BLACK man in the WHITE house. GWB: AWOL for a year (No Problem). GWB pretending to fly aboard an aircraft carrier to announce "Mission Accomplished" six years prematurely - (No Problem). As a wartime vet, I thank President Obama for REALLY ending Bush/Cheney's trumped-up war.
BTW - My 91 year old uncle, a decorated WWII Ranger Paratrooper, agrees with me.
Yeah, that black guy has no respect.
Shut the hell up, you stupid people think he's disrespectful. what if he's in the middle of making a nuclear weapons agreement to ensure the american people stay safe. stop thinking about yourselves and think about others for a change. its not a surprise that you all are gonna vote for trump because you got no common sense. #h for hillary #feel the bern
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